It has also been retained as the ammunition of choice for paratrooper. Even a 9mm fmj will travel through 2 or more people. Not the tula specifically, nor is it fmj or jhp, but in my experience the russian soft point ammo produces very destructive fragmentation in soft targets. This means that, although the player character may initially hit a target for a large amount of damage, the targets armor negate a great deal of damage, if not all of it. The jhp variant is, as usual, superior to the fmj ammo type. Dec 02, 2009 if the standard is fmj, then any name brand jhp in a 230. Fallout 2 allows you to play your character the way you want. Adds 63 classic fallout weapons to npc and vendor leveled lists. This makes most weapons associated with it ideal to use. Redistributes weapons to the various factions, such that most new guns only go to one faction each, to give the factions some flavor. This is mainly due to the fact that fmj rounds are significantly cheaper than your average hollow point.
Its also due to the fact that, from a put the attacker down point of view, fmj. So hague convention in 1899 if i am not mistaken, banned use of any bullets other than fmj, in war, by military personnel. The merits of one vs the other make it a tough choice. Jacketed hollow point jhp hollow point rounds have a hollowed out center. You will hear arguments that hollow points lack the penetrating power to go thru layers of clothing. Fmj s are cheaper than most jhp s so are therefore often used as range rounds. It gives details and locations of all the weapons, armour and ammo available in fallout 2. As to fmj vs jhp accuracy, without having done any accuracy testing in your pistol with different powders, i would suggest going with the fmj conducting range tests would be the only way to determine accuracy difference between the two bullets in your pistols with particular powdercharges.
In fallout, fallout 2, and fallout tactics, jhp bullets do more damage to a target than a fmj round, but have less armor penetration. Weve all heard about the 45 and its magnificent combat record. Personally, i carry jhp s in the gun, an extra mag in the mag holder loaded with jhp s, and a mag full of fmj, as back up ammo. Some players have taken matters in their own hands to address the countless bugs left in fallout 2 after the final official patch was released, and have compiled and released packs of replacement scripts, fixed maps, updated data files and the like. Jhp s dont get the penetration that fmj s do, thats a given. This is the same ammo used in the late 20th century by various military rifles, including the m16. May 03, 2012 anyway, jhp is pretty much the standard sd bullet, it will cause more shock, larger wounds and has a lower likelihood of over penetration. Fmj vs jhp page 2 the leading glock discussion forum.
This is a real issue for me, and i would appreciate input to help me decide which ammo i want to carry for self defense. Fallout 2 armor piercing rounds and energy weapon, page 1. Full metal jacket bullet power vs jacketed hollow point bullet power tested on bottles of water. The fmj are arguably more readily available and are a very consistent round. Full metal jacket fmj or fmc refers to the copper or steel alloy coating on the bullet to reduce lead residue left in the barrel after firing. In fallout 1 even if ap ammo worked there were few enemies to need it for. Note, this is not about just general self defense, as obviously the correct answer to that is the best round but if we are stockpiling, i dont want to spend a.
So ap ammo, assuming it rips off all the armor would do like 15 2 5 2 damage. This table list the intended values, but armor class and damage resistance modifiers are actually 0% and damage modifier is 11. In fallout armour piercing rounds are not designed for high. Yes i am aware that there are all sorts of high performance rounds that do better for personal defence.
I strongly suggest that they first test a few boxes of these exact ammos in the same order after testing this way, they then should load their magazines the same way using ammo from the exact same lot theyve tested and if necessary test from these. Just some thoughts i wanted to put out for discussion. The primary purpose of this mod is to correct the imbalance between armorpiercing ap ammunition and other ammunition. My experience limited to a few mags of each on just this handgun was that i was way more accurate with the fmj. Hes asking whether to load fmj or jhp, purely for selfdefense. A major bug in the fallout engine not fixed in the latest patches prevents any of the. The reason i shoot fmj at the range is simple price. As such, only the weapon base damage and critical hit modifier are used. People were saying how to add weapons in game through the lst file and weapon frm, a mapper, an editor, and last i recall a proto file to add in ammunition. Caliberx is a fusion of fluidfires caliber mod for nv with the xcalibr ammo pack from fo3. When the enemies wear stronger armour metal and above you really notice it in that the jhp ammo.
I finished fallout 1 last week and i dont remember ap rounds being. Updated does it work with any other fallout 2 mod out there. Saying that fmj is cheaper and has killed lots of enemy combatants as a military round is not compelling to me. The fmj will tend to pass right on through without slowing down much. Fmj s are more likely to overpenetrate the target, endangering everyone and everything behind your target. With a full metal jacket and a huge bonus to damage resistance and armor class reduction, the. Just wondering what the prevailing wisdom is here on nes. Jul 31, 2012 fmj rounds have a long track history of killing people. I am looking at purchasing around rounds of 9mm to hold back for shtfsurvival situations, but i am having a tough time deciding what type of round ie. So, it is considered that fmj bullets produce cleaner kills vs enemy soldiers. As the title implies, im looking for real world experiences with subject cartridge, but any and all are welcome. This rounds are definitely capable of killing 3 people in a row, and last 2 probably even 5. I say if your shot placement is were it needs to be it wont matter what you shoot.
For munitions in other fallout games, please see ammunition. A very rare ammunition type appearing in fallout 2, the 9mm rounds are only used by one weapon technically two, since there is a single p90c loaded with them in vault 15 and offer subpar performance across the board. However, it found a new life as linked, belt fed ammunition for manportable miniguns on the battlefield, specifically the m4 cartridge and 7. Feb 03, 2010 i read an article or blog posting recently that suggested jhp s were more accurate than fmj because the base of them had a metal jacket and thus were a more consistent surface facing the gunpowder force. Upload permission you are not allowed to upload this file to other sites under any circumstances. One reason why is that by late game, youre getting most of your damage from critical hits, and most critical hits bypass armour anyway, so youre better off with the jhp so you do more damage when. In fallout 1 ap ammo would only in theory be efective vs robots, nightkin and combat armor which is only. All ammo types found on npcs, in loot containers and on vendors when using. Case 2 290 new ammo types 33 unique types at fallout new. On a skinny 150 pound frame like me, a fmj to the heart or any of the vital areas is going to be enough to stop me.
Ap and fmj do less base damage then jhp unarmored critters, but is very effective against armored targets thanks to yaam penetrating. Apparently this fixes some of the major bugs with the ammo but it. Any stuff related to unofficial f2 patches goes in here. A fmj bullet is very tough, and has pretty good penetration without sacrificing good expansion.
Full metal jacket fmj full metal jacket fmj or fmc refers to the copper or steel alloy coating on the bullet to reduce lead residue left in the barrel after firing. You need to be able to hit deep to stop an animal like that, but youd be better off using a 10mm or. Since trainers, utilities and mods arent part of the game, i wont deal with them specifically. If you can afford it, go for tmj total metal jacket, especially in an indoor range. Dec 02, 2009 jhp are proven stoppers, and are proven better sd rounds than fmj. The ammo patch i used a while back was called patch41. F2wr is fully compatible with killaps unofficial patch and his. Ive read that jhp if different at all are usually more accurate than fmj. Jacketed hollow points come in a massive variety, separated by shape, design or simply the company that manufactures them. You only need to shoot enough jhp to ensure dependable operation. Yet another ammo mod yaam feedback thread no mutants. There are a lot of different types of bullets out there. For fallout 2 on the pc, a gamefaqs message board topic titled.
You dont need to know much about the game to use this faq, the more you know the less useful itll be probably. Since the last thread got deleted and i honestly dont know how. I started as a police reservist recently in south africa and due to some unfortunate legislation police officers are not issued with jhps, but the same fmjs the army uses. The shock value will decrease, the bleeding tendencies of having 2 open wounds will increase.
The most significant additions are integration with timeslips sfall and much. Ap ammo is totally ineffective, and jhp ammo is minimally effective. Well, the mods have approved the upload, so now yaam is available for download. Oct 31, 2007 full metal jacket bullet power vs jacketed hollow point bullet power tested on bottles of water. Narrow, long cartridges of bottleneckcased rifle ammunition, which are found in large ammo storage cans. Other users assets some assets in this file belong to other authors. Originally posted by pnw9995 obviously there is a huge difference in full metal jackets and jacketed hollow points. The content is not described in full detail on this page. Jun 04, 2014 this topic has come up a few times now while talking to some people. So far only armor is some with metal armor which i could see either way doing normal or ap. Supposedly the jhp does not have the penetration power due to it being smaller, so a fmj is preferred. Sep 18, 2008 where target shooting accuracy is the prime consideration, some bullets incorporate a cavity in the nose section. A major bug in the fallout engine not fixed in the latest patches prevents any of the ammunition modifiers damage modifier, armor class modifier, damage resistance modifier from working. So i thought i would make a video and discuss the important reasons for owning a good self defense ammo even if it is expensive.
Jhp vs fmj discussion in handguns started by readyfreddy23, may 6, 2008. Dont tell me that 223 is designed for wounding, thats bunch of bs, besides, back then this referred to 303, 7. Caliberx at fallout new vegas mods and community nexus mods. I am purchasing a pt1911 in 45 acp and i cant vote twice or i would one for fmj one for jhp both have advantages for the fmj it is always cheaper, so you can practice a lot with it to get proficient with the pistol, and if the position arrised where you had to protect yourself with fmj i wouldnt have a second thought.
In a given weight, a hollow point is usually longer, giving more bearing surface, especially in handgun ammunition, look at 45acp ball next to a hp and you will see a big difference. Being unofficial addons they count as mods, which is why this resides in the modding forum. Case 2 290 new ammo types 33 unique types at fallout. The fmj does have quite a few drawbacks, especially when it is concerning your life that is on the line. Ecco gameplay overhaul for restoration project mod for fallout 2. Weapons that use this type of ammunition are typically automatic firearms which fire large amounts of ammo. You will need to seek permission from these authors before you can use their assets. In a selfdefense situation, some bullets can give an advantage. Fmj bullets are not advised for hunting applications for the same reason target bullets are not used. It completely encases the lead bullet with a copper. Theres a strong consensus that a key to an uptimum hunting bullet including accuracy is one that transfers all of its energy into the subject prey while creating a. Weapon effectiveness fallout 2 forum neoseeker forums. Fmj ammo is designed to accomplish one specific task. Good in close if you dont want to kill your npcs wburst fire.
For an overview of fallout 2 content, please refer to portal. A larger wound channel will create more blood loss and will incapacitate someone faster than a smaller wound channel. Use fmj for target practice, as fragmentation can be dangerous if it bounces off a hard target. May 23, 2016 theres an unwritten rule of firearm ammunition. The op asked about fmj 45 vs 9 jhp and i was saying that the 9 jhp expanded more than. I have read that some people prefer to carry a 380 fmj instead of a jhp due to the ballistics. Mar, 2012 jhp ammo is designed to accomplish one specific task. The 5 calibers to claim the most powerful handgun in the world title reupload duration. If you have nothing else to feed your xd at the moment, fmj s.
Of course in my mind i know that i also carry concealed for self defense and that. And in the bullet family tree, every round is related by at least a first or second cousin. The jacketed hollow point jhp is designed to expand rapidly when hitting its target, which increases the effectiveness of the bullet and decreases the chances of overpenetration. An jhp rounds have a long track history of killing people all so. Modification permission you must get permission from me before you are allowed to modify my files. Use fmj and ap against metal armor and above, as jhp is not effective on. Arguing that jhp create effective wound characteristics in gel doesnt overcome my concern about feed reliability. Point out quite rightly that you wanted to reduce the chances that innocent people would get hurt if the bullets went all the way through your attacker. So i know a guy who knows a guy who owns a walther ppk. The jhp is a round that will form that mushroom we all like to see and will tear and rip as it passes through a body.
In official patches the armor piercing ammo gets a 1 2 damage mod and the non armor piercing ammo gets a 2 1 damage mod. I read in some magazine iirc by someone supposedly well known and respected that 45 jhp is not really necessary and one should only use fmj or maybe fmj gets the job done just fine. I personally shoot fmj at the range and carry jhp in my ccw. Obviously there is a huge difference in full metal jackets and jacketed hollow points. That was a slight improvement what it was before, but against power armor, jhp still did more damage. Fmj is probably better on average as most tough stuff would have armour, but then again you would just blast that stuff with. None leather jacket leather armor metal armor combat armor power armor advanced power armor. This topic has come up a few times now while talking to some people. But with the price being double for jhp s, are fmj s still.
And also fmj bullets tend to yaw tumble after they hit solid object like bone. A high velocity round designed for assault rifles, the intermediate 5mm m4 cartridge has been replaced by the more powerful 5. Allot of the ammo seems very buggy so i am not even sure what the difference really is between fmj and jhp in game. I am looking for thoughts on this and more explanation about the ballistics.
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